Simon's Musings

March 27, 2008

Using packages from upstream

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One of the most time consuming things about building new software is working out whether a package has already been packaged ‘upstream’ in Fedora. Doing so is important, because if it’s available in EPEL we should be using that, and if it’s available in any version of Fedora it’s quite likely that that version can be ported to Scientific Linux with less effort than building a package from scratch. Besides, we can’t submit a package upstream if it’s already there 🙂

Fedora has a couple of databases which store package information. The Fedora Package Database provides the definitive information on packages, along with which systems they have been built for. Unfortunately, the package database doesn’t currently seem to have a searchable interface, meaning that finding a package is a matter of appending likely names to the end of a URL. koji, the Fedora build farm, also provides packaging information – but only for those systems which koji builds for – it will not indicate whether packages are available within EPEL.

Fedora Package Database

To get information from this database, append the likely name of your package to For instance, if you’re interested in perl-HTML-Tree, then navigate to From this page, you can see which architectures the package should be available for. If ‘Fedora EPEL 5’ is listed, then run, don’t walk, to your nearest Extras repository.

If an EPEL package isn’t available, the clicking on the Build Status link will take you to the koji page for this package. Of which, more below.


Koji is the Fedora Project’s build system. It only currently only builds Fedora operating systems (EPEL is built using an older build system called plague). Koji provides a powerful search interface that lets you find packages, but it won’t tell you whether they exist in EPEL or not. koji can be found at

Once you’ve found the koji page for your package, clicking on a package in the ‘Builds’ section will let you download the SRPM which the build system spat out. From this SRPM, it is simply a matter of adding a ‘.1.inf’ to the Release field, and a suitable changelog comment, to produce an SL5 package suitable for our ‘world’ repository. I have a script which automates this step, and automatically builds and submits both i386 and x86_64 versions of the package.

Of course, in the long term we should be contacting the maintainers of those packages in Fedora, but not EPEL, and asking them if they’d mind us looking after an EPEL branch of their package. This would require more of us to be Fedora developers, though.

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